after 9/11, we defined it or many people defined it as a war on terror. I think the mistake, a big mistake was made there, because if you define it just as a war, you’re going to lose it.
If you see that the only way effectively of dealing with this is that somehow those young kids get something else in their lives that can really move them in the same way, then you’re beginning to see that it’s hearts and minds that matter, much more than actually military force.
I’m not saying there isn’t a military role, but there’s more than that. And it’s typical of our, you know, tunnel vision in the West that we follow this right away in military terms and right away in terms of war-making, and not in terms of what could change the hearts and minds in those societies.